New posts

MEAT Engines 2024...

Jan. 5, 2024, 3:53 p.m.
Posts: 3063
Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

I agree that switching lube is not going to make a big impact, or any at all, on the environment. I agree that we need to put energy into changing things that will have a significant impact. I'll disagree though that the psychology of not changing the small things doesn't carry over to other decisions that could make a collective difference. If people can't be bothered to do the little things then it's going to be much harder to do the bigger things that require more effort anf have bigger costs. I see it all the time in the way people treat most things as disposable and think garbage just magically disappears once they put it in the bin. 

Either way, this wasn't meant to be some ideological debate about our environmental impacts, it was simply about finding  some better (imo) options for chain lube.

Jan. 5, 2024, 4:10 p.m.
Posts: 75
Joined: Feb. 17, 2022

I’ve also been really happy with the Dumond Tech lite stuff.

Jan. 5, 2024, 4:13 p.m.
Posts: 75
Joined: Feb. 17, 2022

Posted If people can't be bothered to do the little things then it's going to be much harder to do the bigger things that require more effort anf have bigger costs. I see it all the time in the way people treat most things as disposable and think garbage just magically disappears once they put it in the bin.

One worker at my LBS has been trying to convince me that because it’s not that simple to replace the cartridge in my TranzX dropper post, and including labor the refresh will be nearly as expensive, I should just buy a new one, but I’m not having it. Why trash the post I have if it’s just a cartridge away from full functionality? I know cycling is far from environmentally friendly but I’m reusing and repairing anything I can.

Jan. 6, 2024, 1:27 a.m.
Posts: 1031
Joined: Aug. 13, 2017

Posted by: snowsnake

One worker at my LBS has been trying to convince me that because it’s not that simple to replace the cartridge in my TranzX dropper post, and including labor the refresh will be nearly as expensive, I should just buy a new one, but I’m not having it. Why trash the post I have if it’s just a cartridge away from full functionality? I know cycling is far from environmentally friendly but I’m reusing and repairing anything I can.

If Trans X are similar to Brand X (think this is a Wiggle /CRC own brand) - which I assume they are (I have a couple of Brand X and PNWs and they are identical apart from the collar) then it's easy to rebuild and replace the cartridge if you've got the tools and time.  Worst case if you fuck it up you can either take it to the shop or buy a new one.  Also shame on the shop for not trying to repair it.

It annoys me greatly when you have to bin (recycle) something where you could easily replace parts.  We just bought some parts for a Tefal blender we have - the postage from France was a little pricy but it saved binning the motor / jug.  I like / support companies who do this.

Super annoyingly I have a Brand X 200mm dropper that I can't get a cartridge for as no one stocks them atm.  Worst thing is it was only 6 months old.

Jan. 6, 2024, 5:33 a.m.
Posts: 18740
Joined: Oct. 28, 2003

https://na.tranzx.com/collections/service-parts/products/replacement-cartridges?variant=32036313661475

Snowsnake, read the reviews and decide if you will support your LBS or your HBS. (Home Bike Shop). I think I already know your answer.

Among other projects, I have fully disassembled an out of warrantee broken washing machine to replace a cracked drum mounting arm. It is well worth the effort and quite rewarding to fix instead of trash or pay someone to repair. Many parts are found online, or direct from the manufacturer.

Right to Repair affects many, and is supported (on paper at least) by highest levels of government.

https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/competition-bureau-canada/en/how-we-foster-competition/education-and-outreach/learn-about-right-repair


 Last edited by: heckler on Jan. 6, 2024, 5:34 a.m., edited 2 times in total.
Jan. 6, 2024, 7:30 a.m.
Posts: 757
Joined: Feb. 28, 2017

Posted by: fartymarty

Also shame on the shop for not trying to repair it.

Just to jump in with a different perspective, as someone who earns a wage doing things like rebuilding dropper posts, there are many projects that are worthwhile for me to take on at home that are non-starters in the shop.

It’s not even a matter of giving a customer a choice as it’s impossible to quote on work that could take hours and end up with a no result. 

For example, there are a number of dropper posts from before the Wintek craze that don’t use a cartridge but rather a Reverb-style IFP with zero factory information on oil, IFP depth, etc. folks can slam me on the internet all they want, that’s not a project I’m taking on.

.

Once we’re talking 2-3hrs of shop time someone can also buy a pretty nice dropper, or is well on their way towards a beautiful, truly rebuildable, lifetime serviceable product like a BikeYoke. They’re awesome to service.

Jan. 6, 2024, 7:33 a.m.
Posts: 757
Joined: Feb. 28, 2017

Posted by: fartymarty

Super annoyingly I have a Brand X 200mm dropper that I can't get a cartridge for as no one stocks them atm.  Worst thing is it was only 6 months old.

Is it just a Wintek cartridge or something else? 

If it’s a Wintek cartridge then chances are some other brand’s cartridge fits.

Jan. 6, 2024, 8:16 a.m.
Posts: 2516
Joined: April 25, 2003

Posted by: snowsnake

Posted If people can't be bothered to do the little things then it's going to be much harder to do the bigger things that require more effort anf have bigger costs. I see it all the time in the way people treat most things as disposable and think garbage just magically disappears once they put it in the bin.

One worker at my LBS has been trying to convince me that because it’s not that simple to replace the cartridge in my TranzX dropper post, and including labor the refresh will be nearly as expensive, I should just buy a new one, but I’m not having it. Why trash the post I have if it’s just a cartridge away from full functionality? I know cycling is far from environmentally friendly but I’m reusing and repairing anything I can.

He’s being practical, but your bike is there to make you happy so the way I look at it is if having a bike with a bunch of repaired parts makes you happy than that’s the way to go. I appreciate all my old, serviced, repaired and adapted parts much more than the fresh ones.

Jan. 6, 2024, 8:19 a.m.
Posts: 2516
Joined: April 25, 2003

Posted by: heckler

https://na.tranzx.com/collections/service-parts/products/replacement-cartridges?variant=32036313661475

Snowsnake, read the reviews and decide if you will support your LBS or your HBS. (Home Bike Shop). I think I already know your answer.

Among other projects, I have fully disassembled an out of warrantee broken washing machine to replace a cracked drum mounting arm. It is well worth the effort and quite rewarding to fix instead of trash or pay someone to repair. Many parts are found online, or direct from the manufacturer.

Right to Repair affects many, and is supported (on paper at least) by highest levels of government.

https://ised-isde.canada.ca/site/competition-bureau-canada/en/how-we-foster-competition/education-and-outreach/learn-about-right-repair

I can build a whole freaking house but I get so much satisfaction from successfully servicing my washer and dryer. 

(Which unfortunately is regularly necessary, don’t buy Electrolux washers and dryers folks)

Jan. 6, 2024, 8:25 a.m.
Posts: 2516
Joined: April 25, 2003

Posted by: AndrewMajor

Posted by: fartymarty

Also shame on the shop for not trying to repair it.

Just to jump in with a different perspective, as someone who earns a wage doing things like rebuilding dropper posts, there are many projects that are worthwhile for me to take on at home that are non-starters in the shop.

It’s not even a matter of giving a customer a choice as it’s impossible to quote on work that could take hours and end up with a no result. 

For example, there are a number of dropper posts from before the Wintek craze that don’t use a cartridge but rather a Reverb-style IFP with zero factory information on oil, IFP depth, etc. folks can slam me on the internet all they want, that’s not a project I’m taking on.

.

Once we’re talking 2-3hrs of shop time someone can also buy a pretty nice dropper, or is well on their way towards a beautiful, truly rebuildable, lifetime serviceable product like a BikeYoke. They’re awesome to service.

To add to this: there’s a lot of work that’s fine to do for yourself or a friend, but if it’s a “this will probably work, let’s try it” kinda repair/work than it doesn’t make sense to charge good money and possibly trash your reputation by trying it.

For example I love old red brick for walkways but I’ll never install one for a customer again since they require far too much upkeep to stay in good condition and safe and the odds of the customer not understanding this are high.

Jan. 6, 2024, 8:48 a.m.
Posts: 1031
Joined: Aug. 13, 2017

Posted by: AndrewMajor

Posted by: fartymarty

Super annoyingly I have a Brand X 200mm dropper that I can't get a cartridge for as no one stocks them atm.  Worst thing is it was only 6 months old.

Is it just a Wintek cartridge or something else? 

If it’s a Wintek cartridge then chances are some other brand’s cartridge fits.

I think it is but need to have a serious look again for it.  I ended up getting another 170 Brand X.  Best thing is I have 31.6 on both bikes so I can swap between.

Jan. 6, 2024, 9:06 a.m.
Posts: 3063
Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Posted by: tashi

I can build a whole freaking house but I get so much satisfaction from successfully servicing my washer and dryer. 

There’s huge satisfaction to be had from fixing things and saving them from the garbage heap. This includes bikes especially and is why I’ve always valued the same ethos that Andrew extols with the min-max idea and fixing things for yourself. New might often function or work better than something that’s been repaired, but it isn’t necessarily better overall.

Jan. 6, 2024, 9:37 a.m.
Posts: 869
Joined: March 16, 2017

Posted by: fartymarty

Posted by: snowsnake

One worker at my LBS has been trying to convince me that because it’s not that simple to replace the cartridge in my TranzX dropper post, and including labor the refresh will be nearly as expensive, I should just buy a new one, but I’m not having it. Why trash the post I have if it’s just a cartridge away from full functionality? I know cycling is far from environmentally friendly but I’m reusing and repairing anything I can.

If Trans X are similar to Brand X (think this is a Wiggle /CRC own brand) - which I assume they are (I have a couple of Brand X and PNWs and they are identical apart from the collar) then it's easy to rebuild and replace the cartridge if you've got the tools and time.  Worst case if you fuck it up you can either take it to the shop or buy a new one.  Also shame on the shop for not trying to repair it.

It annoys me greatly when you have to bin (recycle) something where you could easily replace parts.  We just bought some parts for a Tefal blender we have - the postage from France was a little pricy but it saved binning the motor / jug.  I like / support companies who do this.

Super annoyingly I have a Brand X 200mm dropper that I can't get a cartridge for as no one stocks them atm.  Worst thing is it was only 6 months old.

Have spotted on Amazon a couple of dropper seatposts that look similar to Brand X droppers. Just checked the PNW website and their Cascade post looks very close to the Brand X version with the external cable routing.

Probably the same factory that makes various versions with slight variations that get shipped from a different loading dock.

Jan. 6, 2024, 9:54 a.m.
Posts: 757
Joined: Feb. 28, 2017

Posted by: tashi

To add to this: there’s a lot of work that’s fine to do for yourself or a friend, but if it’s a “this will probably work, let’s try it” kinda repair/work than it doesn’t make sense to charge good money and possibly trash your reputation by trying it.

For example I love old red brick for walkways but I’ll never install one for a customer again since they require far too much upkeep to stay in good condition and safe and the odds of the customer not understanding this are high.

Definitely. Actually, one of the things I loved about wrenching during the Covid parts shortage was the compact with customers to repair unserviceable things as best as possible to keep them riding. 

It was fun to get paid to fix stuff - nowhere near ‘like new’ - and have folks stoked to pay for the time. When there was nothing available folks were much more understanding of ‘better than it was’ reputation wise. I always felt actually heard when explaining the potential outcomes.

.

On the other side of it - MEATengines related - I enjoy rebuilding things like seized Guide brakes where folks choose to upgrade rather than pay for service (two master cylinder rebuilds and bleeds are well on the way to much better brakes) and then give them away. 

I have a ‘Give The Gift Of Guides’ update coming in January as I need some help finding homes for brakes now.

Now that more and more budget bikes have drilling for dropper routing I might consider adding that too. At least for ones that are easy to sort, like Wintek cartridge posts. 

.

The red brick path triggers some nostalgia for me. My Grannie & Grandad had a red brick driveway. Every so often (I can’t recall how many years in between) they’d have the guy who put it in come back and pull up all the bricks, re-level the drive, and place them back down. 

I don’t know how the cost of ownership compared to asphalt or aggregate but environmentally it must be significantly better.

Jan. 6, 2024, 9:58 a.m.
Posts: 542
Joined: Feb. 16, 2013

WRT changing out a dropper cartridge vs buying a new one, if you disassemble the old one before binning it, most of it can go into the aluminum recycling. You're mostly left with a cartridge and a collar/seal to chuck out, so the difference in landfill garbage between the two options are closer than you might think.


 Last edited by: mammal on Jan. 6, 2024, 9:58 a.m., edited 1 time in total.

Forum jump: