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UBI - Universal Basic Income

Nov. 13, 2023, 8:20 a.m.
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Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Posted by: Fast-Orange

People are working harder and producing more than ever before.

Nope. Among modern nations, our productivity is near the bottom and it's not getting better anytime soon. People may be working longer hours, etc, but our economy is not doing well. Did you know that real estate is the largest sector of the Canadian economy? I don't see a healthy future for our economy unless there are some radical changes in how things are run. 

https://bcbc.com/insight/oecd-predicts-canada-will-be-the-worst-performing-advanced-economy-over-the-next-decade-and-the-three-decades-after-that/

Nov. 13, 2023, 10:04 a.m.
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Joined: Nov. 19, 2002

Posted by: Sethimus

Posted by: Adam-West

We pay all these taxes and get pretty much nothing in return.

How bout we just get to keep our own money

aren‘t taxes quite low in canada? you‘re keeping around 70% of your wages, right?

Graduated taxation of income, so income tax ranges from about 20 to 53 percent (depends on province - this is for BC).  If you earn $52K in a year, tax payable is about $10K, but you also pay another $3.5K into federal pension plan and unemployment insurance.

The one thing I don't agree on with regards to graduated income tax is that you are penalized for working more hours (i.e a second job, self employed and taking on more work, etc.).

Nov. 13, 2023, 10:07 a.m.
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Posted by: Fast-Orange

Posted by: switch

Ima agin free money.

Produce something.

People are working harder and producing more than ever before.

No and no.  Plus that has nothing to do with free money.

Nov. 13, 2023, 12:02 p.m.
Posts: 869
Joined: March 16, 2017

Posted by: Fast-Orange

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/canada-is-considering-a-guaranteed-universal-basic-income-program-here-s-what-that-means/article_98a4ee99-150c-50b5-8867-0203efc51520.html

Is this actually feasible? If it happens I'm just gonna laugh, keep working just as hard but finance a boat or some other reckless action lol just shoot it right back into circulation.

Reality is we all live with this idea or more likely delusion that if things go bad we can work harder and it will be ok. True reality is much harsher as it isn't the big thing going bad that pushes people into worse situations it is the little things that add up. Hard explain but as I approach 5 years navigating our two tier health care system I can see how easy that can destroy people and families no matter how hard one works or tries.

Nov. 13, 2023, 1:28 p.m.
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Joined: May 29, 2004

Posted by: Endurimil

Posted by: Fast-Orange

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/canada-is-considering-a-guaranteed-universal-basic-income-program-here-s-what-that-means/article_98a4ee99-150c-50b5-8867-0203efc51520.html

Is this actually feasible? If it happens I'm just gonna laugh, keep working just as hard but finance a boat or some other reckless action lol just shoot it right back into circulation.

Reality is we all live with this idea or more likely delusion that if things go bad we can work harder and it will be ok. True reality is much harsher as it isn't the big thing going bad that pushes people into worse situations it is the little things that add up. Hard explain but as I approach 5 years navigating our two tier health care system I can see how easy that can destroy people and families no matter how hard one works or tries.

I disagree. Working harder and smarter has helped me gwt through some pretty shitty and stressful situations over the past few years. One topic you touched on earlier was counselling and benefits. It always amazes me how few people consider the value of a good benefit package is when choosing an employer. Mine has been worth tens of thousands to my family.

Working harder does have its drawbacks though. I got roasted a few years back by not preparing properly when i made 40 grand more than i was "supposed to" by taking on a contract job on my days off. Wont do that again..

Nov. 17, 2023, 3:08 p.m.
Posts: 13436
Joined: Jan. 27, 2003

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Fast-Orange

People are working harder and producing more than ever before.

Nope. Among modern nations, our productivity is near the bottom and it's not getting better anytime soon. People may be working longer hours, etc, but our economy is not doing well. Did you know that real estate is the largest sector of the Canadian economy? I don't see a healthy future for our economy unless there are some radical changes in how things are run. 

https://bcbc.com/insight/oecd-predicts-canada-will-be-the-worst-performing-advanced-economy-over-the-next-decade-and-the-three-decades-after-that/

What about compared to ourselves 30 or 40 years ago? Are we producing more or less?

Nov. 17, 2023, 9:49 p.m.
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Joined: Oct. 28, 2003

Posted by: Adam-West

We pay all these taxes and get pretty much nothing in return.

How bout we just get to keep our own money

This!

Then we could each could build our own road, hospital, bridge, and fight the fire in our straw hut when the candles tip over.


 Last edited by: heckler on Nov. 17, 2023, 9:49 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Nov. 18, 2023, 11:48 a.m.
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Joined: Nov. 8, 2003

Personally, I'm looking forward to directing my own air traffic control.

That and threatening Russian tanks with my cute collection of small arms.

Nov. 18, 2023, 12:01 p.m.
Posts: 3063
Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Posted by: Fast-Orange

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Fast-Orange

People are working harder and producing more than ever before.

Nope. Among modern nations, our productivity is near the bottom and it's not getting better anytime soon. People may be working longer hours, etc, but our economy is not doing well. Did you know that real estate is the largest sector of the Canadian economy? I don't see a healthy future for our economy unless there are some radical changes in how things are run. 

https://bcbc.com/insight/oecd-predicts-canada-will-be-the-worst-performing-advanced-economy-over-the-next-decade-and-the-three-decades-after-that/

What about compared to ourselves 30 or 40 years ago? Are we producing more or less?

As individuals? That's separate from our productivity as a nation, which is a more important stat. We could be highly productive individuals, but if the nation's productivity is low that drags us down.

Nov. 18, 2023, 5:11 p.m.
Posts: 13436
Joined: Jan. 27, 2003

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Fast-Orange

Posted by: syncro

Posted by: Fast-Orange

People are working harder and producing more than ever before.

Nope. Among modern nations, our productivity is near the bottom and it's not getting better anytime soon. People may be working longer hours, etc, but our economy is not doing well. Did you know that real estate is the largest sector of the Canadian economy? I don't see a healthy future for our economy unless there are some radical changes in how things are run.

https://bcbc.com/insight/oecd-predicts-canada-will-be-the-worst-performing-advanced-economy-over-the-next-decade-and-the-three-decades-after-that/

What about compared to ourselves 30 or 40 years ago? Are we producing more or less?

As individuals? That's separate from our productivity as a nation, which is a more important stat. We could be highly productive individuals, but if the nation's productivity is low that drags us down.

I meant the nation. Is Canada more or less productive than Canada was 30 or 40 years ago? Forget the comparisons to other nations for a second.


 Last edited by: Fast-Orange on Nov. 18, 2023, 5:11 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
Nov. 18, 2023, 8:58 p.m.
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Joined: Nov. 23, 2002

Less productive.

Dec. 24, 2023, 10:03 a.m.
Posts: 869
Joined: March 16, 2017

These inconsiderate people how dare they not be homeless and improve their lives by not trying harder with zero assistance. 

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/buy-750-month-unhoused-californians-055226072.html

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