Climbing Trail to CBC

"The fewer unsanctioned trails on trailforks or equivalent platform the better. "

Not necessarily true... Trailforks is specifically designed in a way that its often better to include unsanctioned trails in the database. This keeps them off heatmaps, etc. 

And other regions may be different, but certainly here on the Shore, land managers to not have access to "Darkforks" and the hidden trails. 

Now, discuss all you want on what should and shouldn't be on a platform like OpenStreetMap. There's little/no control there.

Clarification: the fewer publicly visible unsanctioned trails on trailforks or equivalent, the better.  Yes, there are some safeguards in place on trailforks to hide trails.  But there are now some trails that are visible to the public that have not been there until recently, as the previously posted screenshot shows.

Posted by: cooperquinn

"The fewer unsanctioned trails on trailforks or equivalent platform the better. "

Not necessarily true... Trailforks is specifically designed in a way that its often better to include unsanctioned trails in the database. This keeps them off heatmaps, etc. 

And other regions may be different, but certainly here on the Shore, land managers to not have access to "Darkforks" and the hidden trails. 

Now, discuss all you want on what should and shouldn't be on a platform like OpenStreetMap. There's little/no control there.

Yeah just looked on TF - unsanctioned are on heatmaps, not all but some, who needs heatmaps now that the trails are on other platforms anyways???  

Also if you use the TF Dark base you get all the OSM stuff as well, which the heat map layer defaults to use.  I am not sure TF is the culprit here, although easy access to OSM does not help things, bikers are.....Control is achieved by the Mtn Bike community themselves by not posting/uploading unsanctioned trails.  

Obviously some differ on this opinion and are uploading to the detriment of the masses.  

Personally i dont really think injury or death is going to get unsanctioned trails closed, maybe in the short term but they will never have the resources to fully shut down areas until we are all RFid'd with tracking devices monitoring all our movements and auto fining you for going into areas...oh wait where's my phone/watch/implant ??

Hikers and trail-runners also notoriously log and upload their “rides”.   Too many apps, all gathered up in the cloud and shared if you know where to look.  The days of ‘secrets’ are long over. Git off my lawn!!  ;)

I know a far off-grid ten year old ‘secret’ that Google now shows the reroute that got ridden in around a blowdown tree.  Firefighters recently had to cut out the tree to access a forest fire, so its good the map existed.

Posted by: gramm

Personally i dont really think injury or death is going to get unsanctioned trails closed, maybe in the short term but they will never have the resources to fully shut down areas until we are all RFid'd with tracking devices monitoring all our movements and auto fining you for going into areas...oh wait where's my phone/watch/implant ??

Netflix Black Mirror.  Next episode killer plotline!

Posted by: heckler

Posted by: MaxRockatansky

What is BMC connector trail?

BMC Connector Trail (Listed on Trailforks as Connector to Bottletop)

The survey has been updated, thanks for clarifying!  

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSecdpHfgdFqTf_6fYRv88g0oj9YFmzmT726Kxixko3KjRB_og/viewform

NSMBA Survey to give your feedback directly to Metro Vancouver about west side Seymour trails that Metro is actively “managing”.

I find the Survey biased and maybe even a little insulting with the question about what trails you ride "from where you park" to start and finish your ride.

I still mainly ride with people that bike from home, even the ones in East Van.

It seems that NSMBA and MetroVan are planning for only one type of rider and not the full spectrum of mtn bikers.

Posted by: taprider

It seems that -snip - MetroVan are planning for only one type of rider and not the full spectrum of mtn bikers.

“The question description came direct from Metro”. - the survey source

And therefore your input is requested. Seems you park at home, as do I most of the time.

Posted by: taprider

I still mainly ride with people that bike from home, even the ones in East Van.

That's crazy. I get dropped off at the top of the hill using my helicopter. Far more entertaining.

Posted by: cooperquinn

Trailforks is specifically designed in a way that its often better to include unsanctioned trails in the database. This keeps them off heatmaps, etc. 

TF's "secret trail" feature has some unintended side effects that actually make it easier to find secret trails in an area... I won't go into detail but if I can figure it out anyone can.

Anyway, I think the whole concept of secret trails is very difficult to maintain in this day and age.

Posted by: switch

They know. I talked to the Seymour PFO and he wasn't happy that riders were ignoring the sign at the first switchback (and the one on the side of the road that says "riding on designated trails only"). If it wasn't for lack of resources on their part something would have been done already. I hope they do get the resources.

Whenever I'm running down upper Old Buck and meet riders heading up it, I'll point out that they've passed at least two "No Biking" signs to get where they are. The usual response is some entitled variation of "It's all good, bro!"

If it's mid-week, fine, but on the weekend in full view of numerous other trail users, it's a bad look for the entire biking community.

Posted by: PaulB

Posted by: switch

They know. I talked to the Seymour PFO and he wasn't happy that riders were ignoring the sign at the first switchback (and the one on the side of the road that says "riding on designated trails only"). If it wasn't for lack of resources on their part something would have been done already. I hope they do get the resources.

Whenever I'm running down upper Old Buck and meet riders heading up it, I'll point out that they've passed at least two "No Biking" signs to get where they are. The usual response is some entitled variation of "It's all good, bro!"

If it's mid-week, fine, but on the weekend in full view of numerous other trail users, it's a bad look for the entire biking community.

actually the trails that filter down to upper ob don't have any signs....  as long as bikers show respect to other trail users, no big deal.  The entitlement of hikers/runners on crown land is rich.

Posted by: LoamtoHome

actually the trails that filter down to upper ob don't have any signs....  as long as bikers show respect to other trail users, no big deal.  The entitlement of hikers/runners on crown land is rich.

I do find it hilarious that mountain biking gets labelled with being bad for the environment and causing erosion etc. but when i'm hiking the majority of the trails are completely eroded and braided to shit.  The worst sections of trail on the shore are all primary hiking trails for sure. Baden in many sections that see zero bikes. Lynn Peak is a disgrace. Perimeter etc.

Posted by: PaulB

Posted by: switch

They know. I talked to the Seymour PFO and he wasn't happy that riders were ignoring the sign at the first switchback (and the one on the side of the road that says "riding on designated trails only"). If it wasn't for lack of resources on their part something would have been done already. I hope they do get the resources.

Whenever I'm running down upper Old Buck and meet riders heading up it, I'll point out that they've passed at least two "No Biking" signs to get where they are. The usual response is some entitled variation of "It's all good, bro!"

If it's mid-week, fine, but on the weekend in full view of numerous other trail users, it's a bad look for the entire biking community.

Another thing these offenders say is "Oh, it's okay, I'm a local...I live here".